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| Rosheen~D |
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Adept Writer ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 51 Member No.: 1,651 Joined: January 21, 2009 |
I'm just wondering about some authors saying they 'love their characters' so much that they can't stand putting them through too much pain. Now this just sounds wrong to me, because conflict is such an important part of a good story. When you can't really believe that the character is neck deep in whatever problem the author's given them, and you just know they'll escape unscathed and happy go lucky, isn't that boring?
I do love the characters that I create, but personally, I like to put them through as much torment as the plot allows... Does anyone here 'love their characters' to that extent? -------------------- I was working on the proof of one of my poems all the morning, and took out a comma. In the afternoon I put it back again.
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| R-Tech |
Posted: May 30, 2009 11:59 am
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When it comes down to it, characters are tools or a device to tell a story.
If a writer is prone to caring too much about their characters keeps that in mind it should help avoid the problem. R-Tech -------------------- |
| somefortytwo |
Posted: May 30, 2009 12:40 pm
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Adept Writer ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 25 Member No.: 1,545 Joined: November 04, 2008 |
I love my characters and i don't have any problem putting them through alot of torment. Though to kill one of my characters...that needs alot of thinking before i go that far.
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| Tina |
Posted: May 30, 2009 03:46 pm
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I enjoy writing some characters more than others but I don't have any problem putting them through extreme conflict or even killing them. The only hesitation I have, is deciding if their death is really necessary to the plot. If it's gratuitous, then I don't want to do it. If it adds to the conflict and tension, then I have no problem with it. Some scenes are harder to write than others. I killed the young child of the main character in one story and that was difficult to write because of the amount of loss I had to convey to the reader, not because the character was dying.
Tina -------------------- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Fiction Factor One of Writer's Digests' 101 Best Websites (multiple years) http://www.fictionfactor.com The Complete Guide to Writing Science Fiction 2008 Eppie Winner for non-fiction! The Fantasy Writer's Companion The Complete Guide to Writing Fantasy http://www.stygianwritings.com The Fractured Publisher A fun and amusing way to browse for books http://www.fracturedpublisher.com |
| yaghish |
Posted: May 30, 2009 05:55 pm
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I love my characters, but more in the way one loves a good meal. You eat it anyway and you know that turns it into shit.
I think a lot of young writers are rather in love with their characters, and do have fantasies about having a relationship with them. I come across that while reading stories. One of the characteritics: only the character who the writer is in love with gets a full and detailed description, all other characters are like cardboard. Description includes lots of love/sex-scenes that have no meaning to the lot whatsoever. Every kind of critique on the writing, especially the idolisation of one of the characters, is turned down with sentences like "but he's such a nice fellow". "but he IS just like that", "I can't change it, that is what happened". |
| SnowAlready |
Posted: May 31, 2009 01:44 pm
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Adept Writer ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 34 Member No.: 1,732 Joined: May 25, 2009 |
I love my characters enough to give them happy endings everytime, but I never let them know that, and I don't let them get to that happy ending easily. It's the process of struggling to achieve thier goals that MAKES the story and also what makes that moment when they achieve thier goals so satisfactory. A story with a character who fights with all they have to get what they want is ALWAYS better than one where the character gets it all handed to them.
-------------------- Remember, writers are the only adults who get to spend all day in their pajamas playing with imaginary friends. Author Uknown
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| yaghish |
Posted: May 31, 2009 07:22 pm
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Yes, but a far better story can be when they have to struggle, and don't get what they want. But of course, that is not our genre (fiction).
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| SnowAlready |
Posted: June 01, 2009 04:46 am
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Adept Writer ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 34 Member No.: 1,732 Joined: May 25, 2009 |
True, I've read phenominal stories where the character's didn't get what they want, I think they REALLY exude real life (Atonement is a STUNNING example, sometimes justice isn't served etc.) but I'm a sucker for happy endings so I stick with them
-------------------- Remember, writers are the only adults who get to spend all day in their pajamas playing with imaginary friends. Author Uknown
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| Tina |
Posted: June 01, 2009 10:21 am
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Happy endings are fine - so long as you're not writing horror.
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Fiction Factor One of Writer's Digests' 101 Best Websites (multiple years) http://www.fictionfactor.com The Complete Guide to Writing Science Fiction 2008 Eppie Winner for non-fiction! The Fantasy Writer's Companion The Complete Guide to Writing Fantasy http://www.stygianwritings.com The Fractured Publisher A fun and amusing way to browse for books http://www.fracturedpublisher.com |
| The Teej |
Posted: June 01, 2009 10:27 am
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I get into my characters pretty deep, but at the end of the writing session - I do what's necessary to forward the plot. Even if it means killing the character. The novel I am currently working on shows major transitions in the protagonist in such drastic ways that at this point, I don't know how his story will end.
But struggle and change is a must if you want your readers to empathize with your characters. Just make sure you do what is necessary to keep the plot rolling. |
| Tina |
Posted: June 01, 2009 07:46 pm
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The plot has to fit with the characters' motivations. Whether a story is plot driven or character driven, the characters have to be right for the plot and the way to determine that is to ask yourself if their movites match how they respond to the unfolding story. Tina -------------------- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Fiction Factor One of Writer's Digests' 101 Best Websites (multiple years) http://www.fictionfactor.com The Complete Guide to Writing Science Fiction 2008 Eppie Winner for non-fiction! The Fantasy Writer's Companion The Complete Guide to Writing Fantasy http://www.stygianwritings.com The Fractured Publisher A fun and amusing way to browse for books http://www.fracturedpublisher.com |
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| mythos |
Posted: June 02, 2009 02:38 pm
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I spent 3/4s of a book endearing a character to the reader, knowing I was going to kill them in the end. However, when it came to the crunch I did find it a little hard, but was spurred on by how much the writing had worked to cause this reaction. So I happily sent them to their death safe in the knowledge that the prose had done its job.
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| mimi146 |
Posted: August 10, 2009 08:42 pm
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I used to love my characters too much. It made for an uneventful, conflict-free book. Nothing happened despite my outline and plotplan. I read it through and gagged, my love for the story vanished. I gave up, but I'm glad I made that mistake as my new novel is MUCH better (I hope!)
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When I first started writing, I felt "bad" about tormenting my characters but I soon got over that and can now maim, kill off, or any number of things. I think it just takes practice and the realization that if we don't push our characters they will never grow.
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| mortabunt |
Posted: October 27, 2009 03:02 am
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I don't love my characters too much. I deliberately show them to be imperfect. For example: I wrote a scene in which my main character callously kills an old man. He is begging for his life, yet she kills him anyways.
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